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“License, Registration, …” Liability of nations who fail to protect citizens with a $30 TT global, no-fault, peaceful use only of technology – sovereign self insurance collateral trust fund at the World Bank and other internationally recognized financial ins[thn/]… pool

Then there’s the matter of insurance to go with that.

The recent $30 Billion Saudi Weapons purchase from the U.S. would have been $15 BB in Saudi Riyals, $15 BB in US Dollars, and based on the possible damage said weapons could cause if used aggressively in a way not upheld by international legal consensus, perhaps $100 billion in insurance collateral conservatively invested in a trust at the World Bank

“License, Registration, …” Liability of nations who fail to protect citizens with a $30 TT global, no-fault, peaceful use only of technology – sovereign self insurance collateral trust fund at the World Bank and other internationally recognized financial ins[thn/]… pool

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The test of talking to Iran
By Editorial Board, Tuesday, February 21, 3:33 PM

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augustinexegesis
11:51 PM GMT-0900
1) Every nation has the unalienable right (and duty) to defend itself.
2) Russia has unilaterally agreed to no first use of nuclear weapons, but Iran is the first nation to agree in principle to post self insurance in a trust account to be paid to any nation harmed by Iranian uranium
3) DMV model for nations – license, registration, and insurance on technology which has offensive uses.
4) “Put your money where your mouth is,” – but Hypnotists living on borrowed money, fine tuning “divide and conquer” to rule by slim majorities instead of consensus, and afraid to break the spell with taxes, and instead engaging in a mutual extortion racket between “Global Cop” and “Big Oil” – each extorting one another to get the money to pay each other – Global cop pays dollars to buy oil to keep Global cop’s chariots of fire running, and Big OIl uses the dollars to buy weapons and influence to control [thn/] to protect the tribes fronting for them, and Big Oil gangsters. – The dollar wouldn’t be worth a dime but for the fact the leading weapons manufacturers insist on being paid in dollars.

So, should 1 / 2 the purchase price of oil be denominated in the currency of the seller?

Would that make Libyan pounds and Saudi Rials more sought after, and therefore increase the purchasing power oil states?

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HeavyJ
11:08 PM GMT-0900
“the ludicrously intransigent position that poisoned the last meeting ….Then Iran refused even to discuss its nuclear program. ”

“The Israeli government refuses to confirm or deny possession of nuclear weapons”

No need for further comment,.
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ThreeQuarterCadillac
10:41 PM GMT-0900
The Iranians learned the lesson of the Pair peace talks that ended the Vietnam War, except the war ended when there were facts on the ground. The North overwhelmed the South. the mullahs labor under the delusion that a nuke will provide them security when in fact EVERYone will pay the price of their folly.
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MarkThomason
10:36 PM GMT-0900
Iran using negotiations as a tactic? Sure, that would be a problem.

But the West has also used negotiations as a tactic, in equal bad faith. That is also a problem in negotiating a resolution. For example, the West demands total surrender on the main issues as a sign of good faith before talks can happen. For another example, in the original talks with the EU, the Iranians did halt to talk, and the Europeans under US pressure then refused to meet — the halt was what they wanted, there was nothing left to discuss, and their message was, “We’ll get back to you next year, maybe.” For a third, the President told Brazil and Turkey in a letter what was wanted, they produced it, and the US went ballistic ranting and raving and then rejected it in the most insulting terms to demand sanctions instead.

So BOTH SIDES need to settle down and talk in good faith. Of the two, the WEST has in the past been consistently, in every single instance, the worst example.

The Iranians are no sweethearts either, but you present the problem as if it were them, and the West has been a model of good faith behavior and sweet reason.
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mxyz
10:40 PM GMT-0900
Dance around the head of that pin to your heart’s delight, Mark.

It comes down to this:

Iran has been lying and stalling and lying and stalling – while moving their technology forward:

“The IAEA declared Iran to be non-compliant in 2005. Iran’s failure to disclose its enrichment facility at Narantz and the heavy water reactor were only the most blatant of many breaches. Iran was caught again in 2009 when the Fordow enrichment facility was uncovered. In 2011, the IAEA, a cautious multilateral body not given to alarmism, spelt out in detail the structure of Iran’s weapons programme.”

The gig is up.
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MarkThomason
10:42 PM GMT-0900
So threatening without talking hasn’t worked.
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mxyz
10:47 PM GMT-0900
Apparently not, perhaps the stakes need to be considerably increased.

It is not incumbent on the rest of the world to “talk”, Iran is the one who is willfully in non-compliance with their own commitments under the NPT.
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MarkThomason
10:30 PM GMT-0900
Bellicose describes everyone involved, and Iran is hardly the most extreme. We see regular demands to “nuke them” on these pages. “All options” are constantly invoked by our leaders, and plans for attack referenced routinely. Tone it down, EVERYBODY.
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NoCountryNoGod
10:23 PM GMT-0900
Iran = Iraq – q + n
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mxyz
10:44 PM GMT-0900
Iran = terrorists – nuclear weapons
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NoCountryNoGod
10:46 PM GMT-0900
I like the first formulation better.
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mxyz
10:16 PM GMT-0900
“Iran tries to provoke Israel. Iran needs an external factor to mobilize and unite the society, but it realizes that it will lose a big war. That is why Iran is trying to provoke Israel to engage in smaller-scale confrontation.”

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/claims-suggest-sweep-irans-covert-plots-15758466#.T0SWGhZKhO0
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MarkThomason
10:38 PM GMT-0900
Whereas nobody is provoking Iran?
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mxyz
11:00 PM GMT-0900
No, Iran was the one who lied and pursed weapon technology after voluntarily signing onto the NPT.

They need to either man-up or quit the NPT, like North Korea did.
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tallow
9:59 PM GMT-0900
“We regard the US as the number one enemy of Iranian nation and we stress Iranian nation and government’s vigilance on deceiving and anti-Islamic policies of the country.

The marchers carrying placards of the Late Founder of the Islamic Revolution Imam Khomeini and Supreme Leader Ayatollah Sayyed Ali Khamenei chanted “Death to the US”, “Neither Concession, Nor surrender, but Fight against the US,” “Down with Zionism”, “Death to the Dirty Culture of the West” as they were moving towards the center of espionage [which used to be the US embassy in Tehran before the Islamic Revolution].

The demonstrators also shouted “The God is Great” to show wrath against the US hegemonic policies.”
http://www.isna.ir/ISNA/NewsView.aspx?ID=News-1648033&Lang=E

The idea that the Iranian issue can be managed through sanctions is a form of denial rather than a strategy
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nowin
9:56 PM GMT-0900
“sometimes the intelligence agencies makes mistakes,” says ZZim. Yes, they did in the case of Iraq.
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nowin
9:52 PM GMT-0900
WP’s editorial board should also read Clapper’s reply to Sen. Lindsay Graham on the issue. Or does the board represent AIPAC?
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MarkThomason
10:38 PM GMT-0900
Yes, it represents AIPAC.
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mxyz
11:02 PM GMT-0900
AIPAC has nothing to do with Iran flaunting its refusal to abide by its own voluntary commitments under the NPT.

You people are delusional.
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zcezcest1
9:43 PM GMT-0900
Best solution? Leave the NPT (how’s it really working when Iran and NKorea can violate it so readily?), sell nukes to Taiwan. China will immediately scream and shout — and the price of keeping Taiwan nuke free is keeping Iran nuke free.

Deal? Deal!!
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MarkThomason
10:39 PM GMT-0900
We can do the same sort of trade without all the complications. We don’t need to create nukes in Taiwan for trade. We can just do a nuclear free Middle East from right where we are.
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tallow
9:02 PM GMT-0900

“Mostafa’s ultimate goal was the annihilation of Israel,” Fatemeh Bolouri Kashani told FNA on Tuesday.”

Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan was Iranian regime nuclear “scientist” who shared this info with his wife Fatemeh!!

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dandyhuffman
9:02 PM GMT-0900
(Obama + 2012) + (Chamberlain + 1939)= Appeasement
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timeontime
8:51 PM GMT-0900
iran must get what it has ordered on the American list of lessons in warfare .
incinerate the dictators ——————- asap.
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stevel1
8:49 PM GMT-0900
There must be an election coming. The israeli tail (an their neo-con apologists) doing their best to wag the American dog. I guess nothing was learned from the invasion of Iraq on bogus pretences.
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tallow
8:51 PM GMT-0900

The elections are on the 2nd of March ))

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mxyz
8:54 PM GMT-0900
Certainly nothing was learned by you stevel1:

a) Israel tried to dissuade the US from going into Iraq.

b) According to the exalted “Mini-Me”, president of Iran: the USA is running the show and Israel only doing their bidding:

speaking on Iranian TV, he said Israel is hated because it is an agent of America and England, not the other way ’round.

IRINN TV (Iran) – August 2, 2006 “Death to Israel”:

“I hereby declare that this sinister regime [Israel] is the banner of Satan. It is the banner of the great Satan.

All it does is implement the orders of the criminal America and England.”

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timeontime
8:56 PM GMT-0900
the time for talking is over .
get them before they get you .its that simple now ……..
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scottsimik
8:43 PM GMT-0900
I can almost feel the bomb dropping on Iran and the War Starting, Iran is hiding behind the door being closed If there was nothing but peaceful use of the Nuclear materials they would open the doors and say inspect all you want and end this stalemate once and for all. We have nothing to hide. I hope this war is not like the First Gulf War and we stop and then have to go back. Israel do have fun but can you do us a favor and drop a few bomb in Syria while your at it and help the people out as a good will jester. Thank You.
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True short cut – diagnose & heal: “Worth trying to diagnose and heal” vs. “Worth fighting for”

xref: composite image effort with apologies [door] for “replacement of color with transparency” limitations.

TWITTER title: A bill to require license, registration, insurance, and peace bond on all technology & weapons – except for personal subsistence or defense

Proposed Sponsors: @SenRandPaul

Proposed Co-sponsors: ShuttleCDRKelly[thn/]

Short title: 2nd Amend DTW (2nd Amendment Department of Technology & Weapons formerly known as EPA)

FULL title: A bill to require license, registration, insurance, and peace bond on all technology and weapons owned by, or sold by, United States entities, except for personal subsistence or defensive use

TWITTER invitation: @SENRANDPAUL @ShuttleCDRKelly INVITED 2nd Amend DTW ( 2nd Amendment Department of Technology & Weapons formerly EPA ) https://waterworldeden4.wordpress.com/2012/01/25/screen-shot-2012-01-24-at-8-03-47-pm-1-xref-list-of-bills-generated-during-the-state-of-the-union-address/

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When we, the U.S., start requiring “License, registration, and insurance” from anyone who buys US Weapons; and when we, the U.S.., make sure all drones have an Apple gravity sensor, mission impossible-style self destruct function; and when WE, the U.S., stop trying to colonize Afghanistan – THEN if and when who dares attack us, the U.S., the full force of response Ron Paul (RP, or REP) would use is merited. Meanwhile, whose ulterior profit motives undermine our U.S. Constitutional motives. Why do we have a constitution? Why not simply let market forces take care of everything? Were Betsy Ross, and Martha Washington on to something? We failed to offer a performance bond in our last, lost chess game with Iran, France and Brasil; xref; enrichment questions for extra credit at the end of whose chapter, or curriculum ‘unit’. Screen Shot 2011-12-31 at 12.22.53 AM

When we, the U.S., start requiring “License, registration, and insurance” from anyone who buys US Weapons; and when we, the U.S.., make sure all drones have an Apple gravity sensor, mission impossible-style self destruct function; and when WE, the U.S., stop trying to colonize Afghanistan – THEN if and when who dares attack us, the U.S., the full force of response Ron Paul (RP, or REP) would use is merited. Meanwhile, whose ulterior profit motives undermine our U.S. Constitutional motives. Why do we have a constitution? Why not simply let market forces take care of everything? Were Betsy Ross, and Martha Washington on to something? We failed to offer a performance bond in our last, lost chess game with Iran, France and Brasil; xref; enrichment questions for extra credit at the end of whose chapter, or curriculum ‘unit’. Screen Shot 2011-12-31 at 12.22.53 AM

PRIOR VERSION before making the communion i cation more personal by using he second person, personal pro-noun [thn/]…

When the U.S. starts requiring “License, registration, and insurance” from anyone who buys US Weapons; and when the U.S. makes sure all drones have an Apple gravity sensor, mission impossible-style self destruct function; and when the U.S. stops trying to colonize Afghanistan – THEN if and when who dares attack US, the full force of response Ron Paul would use is merited. Meanwhile, whose ulterior profit motives undermine our U.S. Constitutional motives. Why do we have a constitution? Why not simply let market forces take care of everything? Were Betsy Ross, and Martha Washington on to something? We failed to offer a performance bond in our lost chess game with Iran, France and Brasil; xref; enrichment questions for extra credit at the end of whose chapter, or curriculum ‘unit’. Screen Shot 2011-12-31 at 12.22.53 AM

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